Finally a trailer about the issue at hand….

You know I liked it when one of the trailers dropped in the ” I was too late once” and then Carter takes on the Warhoons. But I don’t think most of the audience got what that meant. Between talking on their phones, texting, dropping their popcorn, groping their date or cooking in the kitchen while on the  phone while holding the baby and the tv playing in the background – nobody but us fans were going to get it.<a Now we have it loud and clear. Big screen letters that will be caught by the casual viewer – " I'm on Mars" – new action and they dropped Lynn's " Our city is being attacked by a new force" or 'threat' or whatever it was. I'm sure it plays fine in the context of the film but not as a sound bite. All of the "our world is dying" stuff was yo-yoing from a quite statement to barked. It was collecting the ideas, but had no flow.  Hopefully this new 1:00 tv trailer is part of the new theatrical trailer Stanton mentioned on Twitter a couple of weeks back. I'll give them credit, they're running hard at the House of Mouse to make this work. Personally I think this works. – Jeff


22 responses

  1. Bard of Helium

    That’s a great one! Arguably more effective than the Dec.1 big trailer.

    February 8, 2012 at 8:18 am

  2. Henreid

    Ahh yes, because certainly no audience member could care about the ‘stakes’ if somehow the Earth weren’t in danger. Surely we can fit in more worn out cliche’s though, right?. I know, let’s throw in some blue lasers and unmotivated lens flares, and how about some shape-shifting ‘morph’ FX? Let’s boast about how everything ripped off the source of our film, but neglect to mention that half of that familiar material is stuff we just made up for the movie!

    This is looking worse all the time, and not even my desire to see Barsoom visualized on a grand scale can blind me to how terrible and conventionally they seem to be doing it.

    February 8, 2012 at 9:40 am

  3. You seem to be blind to the conventions of the source. I want it ‘unconventional, but don’t change anything, but make it better and note cliched” right…. Go back and try it again. Be fair, you know and I know that If it’s exactly like the book it will be just painful and it they try and polish it off it’s ‘not right’. Sigh……

    February 8, 2012 at 10:38 am

    • alexanderdaleiii

      The movie is a tribute to the books, not a clone of them!

      It is Andrew Stanton writing barsoom, a writer cannot write as a nother writes.

      the worst thing that could have happend is they try to make it exact, with andrew stanton writing burroughs writing barsoom, it would have been a convoluted mess that would have been three unwatchable hours of jumping back and forth beetween plotpoints to fast to make sense of it!

      and i think the therns motivations to invade other worlds makes sense, all barsoomians have their way of trying to cope with the dying of their world, zodangans refuse to stay in any place and go where the resources are. The tharks evolved to the land and live off higher society, helium chose high science, and the therns plunder other worlds

      that is awesome, and very barsoomian in my humble opinion!

      February 8, 2012 at 11:20 am

      • Henreid

        Does ‘A Princess of MArs’ really jump around between messy plotpoints, though? Doesn’t it stay with the protagonist the entire way, in the first person narrative of a journal, as he recounts a linear chain of events across Barsoom that all lead to a straightforward climactic battle? To me it seems far more convoluted and messy to concoct extra scenes of deals being made between Therns and Zodangans and Warhoons over superweapons and alliances and master plans, etc…

        I don’t mind the Therns concept so much, as it’s a genuinely interesting idea and you do make a good point.

        What I don’t like about it is creating such a simple explanation for the mystery of how/why John Carter gets to and from Mars. That mystery is one of the things that always elevated the books to me, ERB having the wisdom to withhold it for so long. That always felt so wonderfully strange and mystical, and now it’s a blue piece of jewelry.

        February 8, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    • Henreid

      No, I just prefer those conventions, and assert that they would feel fresh today because no one has utilized them in a long time. I’d prefer a John Carter who reflects the Romanticism that opened the 20th Century instead of the Disillusionment opening the 21st.

      Today, for instance, it would be unconventional to have a polite, well spoken gentleman of a hero – who fights unreservedly for the woman he loves and against the injustice he sees. Nowadays we expect the reluctant, disaffected, ‘cool’ hero, who has to be convinced to join a cause.

      Burroughs storytelling is not perfect by any means, full of it’s own conventions and cliches’. That’s part of the charm. By forcing this story into the modern mold of blockbuster filmmaking, much of that is lost, and it becomes much more like all
      the other films around it. I think that’s unfortunate.

      I also think that if Stanton wanted to make fantasy epic with a reluctant hero, a warrior princess, blue lasers and shape-shifting aliens threatening the Earth, then he should have written his own bloody story with his own bloody characters. Let’s see if they last for 100 years.

      Being fair, I know a direct adaptation isn’t possible or even desirable – but don’t any of you think they could strike a lot closer to the soul of the writing and still end up with an incredibly powerful, and lucrative, modern epic?

      February 8, 2012 at 12:53 pm

      • Bard of Helium

        Henreid, you will get much farther with your comments if you share them on the John Carter IMDB message board. This site is decidedly positive about the film and the majority of people who post here have decided to wait till after they’ve seen the movie to engage in criticism.

        Thank you for your passion for the books. Let’s pick up the conversation after we’ve all seen the movie! 🙂

        February 8, 2012 at 1:16 pm

      • Henreid

        I’m not trying to get anywhere with my comments except healthy conversation about the first real attempt at adapting Barsoom for the screen. If one has to withhold all criticism of the material seen until the entire film is released, doesn’t it also make sense to withhold some of the praise? It’s much more fun to debate what we’ve seen so far, no?

        Love the site, and I’m obviously going to see the film. No need to get so defensive!

        February 8, 2012 at 2:00 pm

  4. alexanderdaleiii

    The shapeshifting stuff is inspired by the abilities of the lotharians and the tarids

    the disinitgration weapons described are directly lifted from a fighting man of mars (the same book that brought us a warrior princess)

    you are right in this exact context these things arent what burroughs wrote, but they arent something burroughs wouldnt do! because we know he has done these things before! Including alien invaders threatening another world (skeleton men of jupiter)

    its not an adaption, its a tribute, cobbled together from some of what I think is the coolest aspects of the series!

    As for John Carters changed personality and story . . . again, that is Tars Tarkas’ story just combined with John Carters because they didnt want to lose focus on the main character, so they took something burroughs wrote!

    February 8, 2012 at 1:18 pm

    • Henreid

      Most excellent points, sir. That said, to me those first three books had enough going on without needing to bring in aspects from the rest (call me a purist!)…
      Yours is the best pitch I’ve heard for why they’ve done what they’ve done.

      February 8, 2012 at 2:09 pm

  5. “ERB having the wisdom to withhold it for so long.” Ptthfa ! ERB didn’t care how JC got to Mars or about the age thing. It just felt right to him which is fine. But you’ve got have it make sense onscreen or there will be a never ending scream of ‘plot hole !” I hate that phrase by the way. The viewer is saying that all the people that made the movie don’t know it as well someone who just spent 2 hours with it. It’s usually something the viewer missed while texting.

    February 8, 2012 at 1:33 pm

    • alexanderdaleiii

      I can feel, in an alternate reality where it was a carbon copy of the book

      I can hear the groans of people as John Carter coincidentally saves just the right guy, coincidentally met the caretaker, coincidentally found tars tarkas in battle,

      random crazy coincidences about!

      February 8, 2012 at 2:08 pm

      • Henreid

        All true, but surely there is some middle ground where those coincidences can be improved without eliminating the Atmosphere factory and completely re-writing the whole plot. I’m certainly not advocating a word-for-word adaptation here (I mean, Helium with telescopes that can see Earth and Dejah Thoris talking about hats? Yikes).

        February 8, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    • Henreid

      It felt just right to me, too.

      February 8, 2012 at 2:22 pm

  6. I love the atmosphere plant. I think we’re getting a cross between that and the Thern temple. I think.

    I dissected the book last year in terms of pacing and thrust. Leaving the Warhoom arena is where ERB really goes off the rails. I’d considered that it wouldn’t have seemed so out there if he’d had John Carter leave the Warhoon arena with the prisoners of the pits. Go all Spartacus and all and rescue Dejah from the Warhoons, not Zodanga. In the end he would arrive with Dejah and a small army of green men and red men united for the first time ever.

    The book’s pacing is pretty good until that three quarter part, and then like every first time novelist, he looses it. The end result is last quarter nothing like the rest of the book. And a massacre to save his girlfriend. I always found that a bit of overkill. Anyway’s ‘them’s me thought’s on the issue’ – Jeff

    February 8, 2012 at 2:40 pm

    • alexanderdaleiii

      I think that the atmosphere factory in the film is what what has the therns nervous, their pillaging of worlds is sustaining barsoom. But scientific advances in helium are going to allow for barsoom to survive on its own!

      That is the core to the story I think, the therns dont want to lose their power because the heliumites are finally learning to sustain their world, thats why at the end when they try and activate it John Carter will seemingly sacrifice himself to stop the therns who assault the factory (note thern swords have been seen so we are going to see some combat from them) . . .

      he will succeed but be teleported back to earth in a struggle with a thern, (keep note the dead thern we see next to John Carter in the cave, I think that scene is played in reverse to fool us )

      and he will spend ten agonizing years not knowing if the therns succeeded or not !

      I probably just ruined the movie for everybody

      February 8, 2012 at 3:08 pm

      • Henreid

        Man, I really hope that’s what they’re doing. That theory preserves the themes and actually makes the pieces we’ve seen fit together in a semi-palatable way.

        February 8, 2012 at 3:47 pm

  7. Daniel (Mccinny)

    Now THAT was a trailer! Nice. A little late, but nice.

    And was that Matai Shang I see shapeshifting in one scene? heheh I haven’t been to the IMDB board in a while, but I will imagine certain folks are going wild over that one. heh

    February 8, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    • Kenneth Vivor

      At least you are the one that likes this trailer.

      February 9, 2012 at 3:50 pm

  8. THULL

    Jasoom will be next. Jasoom.

    February 9, 2012 at 10:38 am

  9. Daniel (Mccinny)

    I wasn’t a fan of that bit, earth or Jasoom aside. I think its just fine without a looming threat to earth….sorry Jasoom too.

    February 9, 2012 at 10:43 am

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